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A large part of what is considered "meat by-products" (things like liver, kidneys hearts, poultry skin and fat) also ends up in human foods, such as hot dogs, Vienna sausages, bologna, and other potted meats. http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0...y-are-they.htm

QFT. My cats got fat fast feeding LESS than the recommended amounts listed on the bags. This is one of the chief reasons we switched to canned food.

Great, does anyone know what the proper %'s are for an "ideal diet"? I still doubt that having less meat based protein and more meat based fat is "better". Once again cats are designed to live off of mice and small birds which seems like both would have very little fat content per protein...

Unfortunately this is one thing you are probably not going to find. All you can do is read, learn and try and make the best informed decisions you can. Most people agree that any canned food is much healthier and more "species appropriate" than dry cat food. I also think most people also agree...

Yes this is per kcal. I should have been more specific. I think Protein adds 3.5-4 calories per gram while fat adds 8.5-9 calories per gram. The fact still remains that the premium foods have a much higher fat to protein ratio than the mid-grade foods that use by-products. This means the cats...

This is correct. I should have been more specific. I think Protein adds 3.5-4 calories per gram while fat adds 8.5-9 calories per gram. Still this means they will be taking in more calories from fat than from proteins in most of those so called premium foods. I agree protein isn't protein. As...

That's the problem though. According to Binky's Nutrition page most of the "Premium", no by-product brands list fat as 50%-60% or more fat content. It's the brands/flavors that do contain by-products that drop the fat down into the 25%-35% range. http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html

I understand wanting "named" by-products and liver but lets step back a bit. Take a look at Binky's Cat food nutrition info. http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html Look at all of these so called "premium" brands most people recommend such as Wellness, Nutro or what ever. Nearly all of...

It seems to me that most "no by-product" choices seem to actually be higher in fat content than the choices that include by-products. While I do avoid foods with by-products as the primary ingredient, I prefer to give the the lower fat content choices over the no by-product choices.

My personal criteria for canned cat food selection is that it does NOT contain any BHA, BHT, ethoxyquin, carrageenan, or any type of fruit or vegetable whole, starch or gluten (corn, wheat, rice, soy, barley, etc.) and lists a muscle meat as the primary ingredient. By "muscle meat" I mean the...

Oh. Good to know. I would have fallen into that trap and probably not realized they had jacked the price up for months. Thanks.

I am sorry but to me, water, and electricity should never be mixed...especially with cats. For cleanliness and convenience you can beat having a few large butter tubs (45oz size). We have several that we rotate. We keep two out at all times and dump and refill them twice a day. Every few days or...

I agree but people need to get over themselves when it comes to what carnivorous pets eat. I guess it doesn't bother me because growing up my grandfather raised cattle and always kept a cat in the barn of each of the pastures he raised on. Their sole purpose was to eat the mice. I do wonder...

I am considering ordering Fancy Feast from Amazon. If you order $25 or more you get free shipping, plus if you "subscribe" to have the order repeated every month you can get a 24 can case for $11.80. That's $0.49/can where my local grocery store sells the same stuff for $0.65/can, that...

My 2 cents: First I agree 100% that cheap dry food and loving home is better than being homeless, half-starved, or euthanized in a shelter. Second, bad food the cat will actually eat is also better than the best on the market if the cat refuses to eat it. I also think that a lot of people just...

....everything I have read about cat nutrition seems to indicate that mice and small birds are perfectly nutritionally balanced for cats. Why has no cat food company started raising their own mice and small birds and grinding them whole into canned food? If this really is the perfect diet why is...

Thanks for the suggestions. I may try the mixing of the seafood and other flavors first, then go from there. I'll post back results in a week or two.

When we switched to canned food from dry I looked over all brands and flavors at my local grocery stores for foods that did NOT contain any BHA, BHT, ethoxyquin, carrageenan, or any type of fruit or vegetable (corn, wheat, rice, soy) as a whole, as a starch or as a gluten and listed a muscle...

We have three cats and we used to free feed dry food. We would put out measured 1/2 cup of dry food per cat, twice per day (1cup/day/cat total). After reading up on how bad dry food is for a cat we have transitioned to canned food making sure it met all of our requirements. This we feed smaller...